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it is important to join a union or not. it's important not about collective bargaining. >>> he was talking about how they want to move the state forward to create more jobs for people in the state should they move to a right to union situation or right to work situation. union workers argue they are making an attack on the middle class. >> this legislation isn't about anything except an attack on workers rights and roll people back for what we fought for. >> nancy pelosi says no matter how many ways republican workers try to spin it right to work is bad for our economy and bad for the middle class. it has nothing to do with ex handing workplace minimums. over the weekend union organize nierzs continue to prepare their members for take to go the streets this week staging demonstrations against the measure. if the vote goes through tomorrow will will deal a significant blow>> now it is time to look whose talking in this morning's congress is talking. if you do as usual they aren't agr agreeing. congressman took to the airwave
it is important to join a union or not. it's important not about collective bargaining. >>> he was talking about how they want to move the state forward to create more jobs for people in the state should they move to a right to union situation or right to work situation. union workers argue they are making an attack on the middle class. >> this legislation isn't about anything except an attack on workers rights and roll people back for what we fought for. >> nancy pelosi...
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union leaders fear if a right to work law should pass it could happen anywhere gutting union power. the president added his voice to the debate during a visit to the detroit area yesterday. >> i have to say this. what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your right to bargain for better wages at work. >> the proposed michigan law does not actually prevent collective bargaining. it stopped unions from forcing workers to pay dues. with the largely republican legislature it will almost certainly pass. part say it has to do with workplace fairness for workers. >> i view this as solving an issue with michigan workers. we have hard-working people in michigan this is about giving workers choice. >> police in lansing are bracing for perhaps thousands of angry protestors and the law heads toward final passage. >> doug luzader in washington thank you so much. let's turn to weather. there is extreme weather conditions across the country. maria molina has more on storms and what else do have? tornadoes, right? >> we have tornadic activity had it occurring over the weekend and yesterday.
union leaders fear if a right to work law should pass it could happen anywhere gutting union power. the president added his voice to the debate during a visit to the detroit area yesterday. >> i have to say this. what we shouldn't be doing is trying to take away your right to bargain for better wages at work. >> the proposed michigan law does not actually prevent collective bargaining. it stopped unions from forcing workers to pay dues. with the largely republican legislature it...
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and that of course has raised the ire of union supporters and union members. we'll get back to mike tobin in just a moment who's live in the middle of all of that. martha: we also want to get to this morning. there is new controversy surrounding catherine bigelow movie about the hunt and killing of osama bin laden. you first remember conservatives were claiming that classified information may have been used to make this movie, "zero dark thiry". but this time now that the movie is about to be released some liberals are speaking out and taking aim at what they're calling the glorification of torture in this movie. here is a clip from "zero dark thiry". >> can i be honest with you? i am bad news. i'm not your friend. i'm not going to help you. i'm going to break you. any questions? martha: i think a lot of people are looking forward to seeing this and seeing how it depicts the raid that killed usama bin laden. a huge moment in the history of our country of course. i'm joined by pete hegseth, u.s. army veteran and ceo of concerned veterans for america. >> thank y
and that of course has raised the ire of union supporters and union members. we'll get back to mike tobin in just a moment who's live in the middle of all of that. martha: we also want to get to this morning. there is new controversy surrounding catherine bigelow movie about the hunt and killing of osama bin laden. you first remember conservatives were claiming that classified information may have been used to make this movie, "zero dark thiry". but this time now that the movie is...
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union benefits for free. they claim the real goal is to weaken organized labor. >> these so called right to work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. >> this is a state issue. indiana did this under governor mitch daniels a couple years ago. they've had some job growth since then. we have to compete. my district is along the state line. we have to compete with them. >> reporter: if it happens, this would be -- michigan would be the 24th state toes pa the law. the house and senate approved their own versions last week. they're set to pass final bill tomorrow. opponents are promising more protests. the republican governor said he will sign that bill. >>> we saw the egyptian president try to give himself broad new powers, basically make himself a dictator. he backed off over the weekend on that, but now he's apparently making a move to turn the army against the people. that's just ah
union benefits for free. they claim the real goal is to weaken organized labor. >> these so called right to work laws, they don't have to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. what they're really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. >> this is a state issue. indiana did this under governor mitch daniels a couple years ago. they've had some job growth since then. we have to compete. my district is along the state line. we have to...
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union power and the guy the unions call a "rat" the michigan governor is here. now. >> welcome, big news, i am neil cavuto, 24 hours after governor snyder signed the right-to-work legislation into law, sparking all of the angry protests, it looks like the battle is just going. leave us alone. or we are coming for you. we are done. >>neil: some unions are out for a lot more than their point of view be but for blood and they are not holding back. and neither are state lawmakers. >> we are going to pass something that will undo 100 years of labor relations. there will be blood. >>neil: everyone should cool that. but is the governor worried about what he unlived? the michigan governor snyder with me now. are you surprised by this, governor? >>guest: it is good to be with you. i knew this is a divisive issue with a lot of protests before we started considering the bills. this is the right thing to do. it is actually is being pro worker, they have a right to choice and shouldn't they have the choice depending on whether their pay dues? this brings jobs to michigan and
union power and the guy the unions call a "rat" the michigan governor is here. now. >> welcome, big news, i am neil cavuto, 24 hours after governor snyder signed the right-to-work legislation into law, sparking all of the angry protests, it looks like the battle is just going. leave us alone. or we are coming for you. we are done. >>neil: some unions are out for a lot more than their point of view be but for blood and they are not holding back. and neither are state...
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to a union just last year and the number of michigan workers who belong to unions down nearly 30% over the past ten years. this is fox news alert, north korea extending the window for a rocket launch in that country that the u.s. believes is a cover for a long-range ballistic missile test. the communist country's state media saying technical i shall ooze delaying the launch for the moment. greg palkot is live in london watching this all weekend, what is the latest now on monday, greg? >> reporter: hey, bill, a technical mess, that is how one expert describes to me the scene of that north korea launch cycle right now. the liftoff of that controversial multistage rocket by yeongpyeong is not going to happen now. it has been delayed maybe a week, maybe more. a new target period could be around christmas week. the initial problems have pw-pbt unseasonably cold temperatures in the area as well as snow. now they are admitting to a problem with the first stage of the rocket, that session apparently has to be replaced. last time they tried to launch something was in april, we were there, it fa
to a union just last year and the number of michigan workers who belong to unions down nearly 30% over the past ten years. this is fox news alert, north korea extending the window for a rocket launch in that country that the u.s. believes is a cover for a long-range ballistic missile test. the communist country's state media saying technical i shall ooze delaying the launch for the moment. greg palkot is live in london watching this all weekend, what is the latest now on monday, greg? >>...
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was not alive, it was not a political union. >>neil: given the trend and how they hand out the awards the common theme seems to be bash america, sort of like sally field accepting it for, i don't know, jane fonda, his theme has been europe is in the pickle because of the united states, but this is a prevailing view that the european union is facing their problems because of the united states. they cannot be serious. >>guest: no, i quite agree and basically, norway, which gives the thing, it is very political, norway is not even in the european union but they are next door to this whole number which is a growing totalitarian state. it failed to give peace over kosovo and it has given its people massive borrowing and not they have over borrowed and the recommendation is alwaysst either and now you have rioting and forces for secession to break up the european union. it is a massive totalitarian state, grabbing power, and it gives its parliament elections but in power, and it does not like disagreement and it is against opposition,
was not alive, it was not a political union. >>neil: given the trend and how they hand out the awards the common theme seems to be bash america, sort of like sally field accepting it for, i don't know, jane fonda, his theme has been europe is in the pickle because of the united states, but this is a prevailing view that the european union is facing their problems because of the united states. they cannot be serious. >>guest: no, i quite agree and basically, norway, which gives the...
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i'm a union man and i know charlie is very fond of unions. we love unions, but we want people to have the right to choose whether or not they belong to a union. a clothes shop where they have to have the union and i don't think that's freedom, if you want to join the union by all means, but to make it mandatory, that seems a bit harsh. >> neil: but the unions are spinning it the other way in michigan, charles, what do you make of that? >> and ben makes the great point. the unions feel like their back has been against the walls and have for a number of years. in michigan, this is the way we can be competitive. listen, everyone talks about the great comeback in detroit in the auto sector, that's a mirage. michigan's in trouble, detroit is in trouble and this is how they compete on the national scale, ultimately, a global scale. >> neil: dagen? >> very significant that this is happening and by the way, this is just the right to not have to pay union dues if you don't want to belong to a union first and foremost. >> neil: and you got that. >> ver
i'm a union man and i know charlie is very fond of unions. we love unions, but we want people to have the right to choose whether or not they belong to a union. a clothes shop where they have to have the union and i don't think that's freedom, if you want to join the union by all means, but to make it mandatory, that seems a bit harsh. >> neil: but the unions are spinning it the other way in michigan, charles, what do you make of that? >> and ben makes the great point. the unions...
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union states to follow suit. the incoming house minority leader in michigan slammed the governor. >> now it is official ladies and gentlemen the governor of michigan is one greedy nerd and he is one week geek. we are not going to take it ian more. he wasn't satisfied with out sourcing thousands of jobs while on the board of gateway computer, he wants to turn michigan into the same low wage environment we see in china. >> this may not be the final word. we could see legal challenges. but right to work advocates chalked up probably their most significant victory by adding michigan to their list. back to you guys. >>> thank you, doug. these developments out of michigan the big talker this morning as you saw the protests turning violent. >> evidences assaulted. the violence at the rally compared to that of the tea party rally. sean hannity and ann coulter are talking it. >> eerie time you look at wisconsin, you look at michigan, you look at the occupy movement, you look at the g-8, g 20 summits all these things it's
union states to follow suit. the incoming house minority leader in michigan slammed the governor. >> now it is official ladies and gentlemen the governor of michigan is one greedy nerd and he is one week geek. we are not going to take it ian more. he wasn't satisfied with out sourcing thousands of jobs while on the board of gateway computer, he wants to turn michigan into the same low wage environment we see in china. >> this may not be the final word. we could see legal challenges....
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reindeer are a member of a union. transportation reindeer union of america. >> dana: rudolph was a scab. >> bob: he was. he was a drunk and game and took over -- >> dana: the elves were terrible. >> kimberly: you guys. >> bob: are you awake? >> kimberly: i have been awake. okay? >> greg: go to eric. [ laughter ] sitting there patiently wondering what just happened to this show. santa democrat or republican? >> eric: clearly a republican. he's carrying, loving, compassionate. all things associated with -- >> dana: old fat white guy. perfect. >> eric: the conservative movement. [ laughter ] >> kimberly: carrying, i thought. like a weapon? >> bob: for sure. >> kimberly: like santa the packing heat. >> greg: do you think the brownies that john gibson gave us earlier today had something in them. >> dana: trying to sabotage this. >> greg: if you could formulate a coherent sentence. what do you make of the findings? >> dana: this is what i decide about christmas. i agree with you. we should celebrate this every three years.
reindeer are a member of a union. transportation reindeer union of america. >> dana: rudolph was a scab. >> bob: he was. he was a drunk and game and took over -- >> dana: the elves were terrible. >> kimberly: you guys. >> bob: are you awake? >> kimberly: i have been awake. okay? >> greg: go to eric. [ laughter ] sitting there patiently wondering what just happened to this show. santa democrat or republican? >> eric: clearly a republican. he's...
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this can save unions. it actually introduces competition to unions. you might actually have to do a better job. you might actually have to ab do indicate for -- abdicate for better policies. something tells me you didn't think the violence went far enough. >> i don't understand why you want everyone exploited. we fought so hard to get everyone out of the coal mines and to the working world. it reminds me of billy brag when it says the union forever defending arise. down with the black legs, workers unite. >> it is hard to explain to a crying. ♪ why daddy won't go back ♪ the family suffers but it hurts me more ♪ to hear a scab ♪ say sergeant jack ♪ >> let it wash over you. >> we fought and died for these unions, and now they are here and no one can take it. well guess what. it is time for workers' rights. >> they are not even dealing with collective bargaining. they want the option of not joining a union. >> but who gets the benefits 1234* the scabs, the black legs, they come in and they get all of the benefits that the union fought for, and
this can save unions. it actually introduces competition to unions. you might actually have to do a better job. you might actually have to ab do indicate for -- abdicate for better policies. something tells me you didn't think the violence went far enough. >> i don't understand why you want everyone exploited. we fought so hard to get everyone out of the coal mines and to the working world. it reminds me of billy brag when it says the union forever defending arise. down with the black...
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one weak geek, and we aren't going to take it anymore. >> unions, unions, unions! >> i would say it's a union talk as to why they add value. and if workers really see value, if they see why it's a good thing to be long, they will join, and if they don't, why should they join? >> i'm out here to protect us as a union, and to protect our collective bargaining rights. i'm hoping to make a change. this is wrong. they have taken and they have stripped the right of the michigan people. >> the protests looked like wisconsin but it's not. the explosive video shows protests inside the michigan state capitol. the protesters are chanting "shut it down." and outside the protests growing violent. an angry mob destroying a tent on the state capitol lawn. some in the crowd were armed with knives. michigan is the 24th state heading into the right to work column. our next guest called to a, quote, bold and historic day for michigan. earlier tonight we spoke to michigan state senator majority leader arlen meekoff. >> what do you expect to get for the state of michigan out of this? w
one weak geek, and we aren't going to take it anymore. >> unions, unions, unions! >> i would say it's a union talk as to why they add value. and if workers really see value, if they see why it's a good thing to be long, they will join, and if they don't, why should they join? >> i'm out here to protect us as a union, and to protect our collective bargaining rights. i'm hoping to make a change. this is wrong. they have taken and they have stripped the right of the michigan...
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so, this creates an environment where people can say, they are choosing to join a union because the unions put a value proposition to make it worthwhile and if they are not providing value someone should be forced to choose so i view this as pro worker legislation. >>neil: governor, this woman's remarks went viral soon after she said them, a council woman in detroit talking about the post obama election envice president, i am sure you are familiar, but if you are not, please respond to this. >> after the election of jimmy carter, we had young and he went to washington, dc and he came back home with some bacon. young did. that is what you do. that is what you do. our people in an overwhelmingly matter supported the re-election of this president and there ought be to a quid pro quo and we ought to exercise leadership on that. not just that, but why not? >>neil: what do you thing 1/2? >>guest: it is unfortunate. that is one council woman's comments. a challenge in detroit the city council and the mayor have not been on the same page. they are running out of time. they have been in a financial
so, this creates an environment where people can say, they are choosing to join a union because the unions put a value proposition to make it worthwhile and if they are not providing value someone should be forced to choose so i view this as pro worker legislation. >>neil: governor, this woman's remarks went viral soon after she said them, a council woman in detroit talking about the post obama election envice president, i am sure you are familiar, but if you are not, please respond to...
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back was broken by a bunch of thug cops who hated unions. now, all i want to say to those guys there are a lot of you out there who have done remarkable work for the workers in the country. do not take what you heard here. it's not people who understand all your history. there is no reason to have to. >> greg: you can bring that up to negate any criticism of the union to commit violence against innocent people. well done. >> eric: we have to go. that is if it for "the five." thank you for watching. >> dana: on that note. >> greg: unbelievable. >> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. this is a fox news alert. tonight, michigan, the home of the american automobile industry, state that has been dominated by big labor unions, is now a right to work state. michigan's republican governor has just signed a bill in to law ending union ability to force workers to pay dues. february they are not in the union. democrats are predicting a warning of blood in the streets. here is what the governor said moments ago about why he supported the legislation. >>
back was broken by a bunch of thug cops who hated unions. now, all i want to say to those guys there are a lot of you out there who have done remarkable work for the workers in the country. do not take what you heard here. it's not people who understand all your history. there is no reason to have to. >> greg: you can bring that up to negate any criticism of the union to commit violence against innocent people. well done. >> eric: we have to go. that is if it for "the...
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they are forced to join the union, forced to pay mon tote union and the unions spend the monoa political party they don't agree with -- that's not freedom. that's not liberty. that's not pro-choice. why wouldn't you support the right of people to choose? >> that's an out-of-context descringz of the problem. the problem is without unions, there is no counterforce to big business-- >>> it's legalized theft -- >> give me a chance. there is no counter force to big business to people who say, let's cut the salaries and outsource your job, everybody's only about profit and it is not about making sure that employers-- >>> you want the government -- [overlapping dialogue] >> it's called forced association. our founders would be in shock understanding that to get a particular job, you had to join an association that you may fundamentally disagree with, as the cost of employment. it is forced association. it is not protected by the first amendment. it is forced association. the right-to-work laws don't eliminate the unions-- >>> that's right -- let me bring up one point. a lot of good unions in de
they are forced to join the union, forced to pay mon tote union and the unions spend the monoa political party they don't agree with -- that's not freedom. that's not liberty. that's not pro-choice. why wouldn't you support the right of people to choose? >> that's an out-of-context descringz of the problem. the problem is without unions, there is no counterforce to big business-- >>> it's legalized theft -- >> give me a chance. there is no counter force to big business to...
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union thugs beat the crap out of people -- >> bob: union thugs? >> eric: and teachers are -- >> greg: what do you call dish >> dana: you call people scabs and you are upset someone says union thugs? >> andrea: how can you have it both ways? you are a tough group that put the giant inflatable rafts in front of the construction projects or nonunion construction par projects across the country or you're now a little victim who can't help themselves and everyone else is -- you're a big group that go on people's houses in wall street and bully those people and trespass. and overwhelm them and -- >> bob: wall street does that. >> andrea: where are the unions? >> dana: the unions did have an effective and important role in past. but i also think that other -- as companies have had to evolve, the unions need to evolve as well. they are getting terrible advice right now and there are ways to work with the governor, what only has their best interest in mind. what else does he want? why else would he do it? why? why? >> eric: >> bob: it brings people in to t
union thugs beat the crap out of people -- >> bob: union thugs? >> eric: and teachers are -- >> greg: what do you call dish >> dana: you call people scabs and you are upset someone says union thugs? >> andrea: how can you have it both ways? you are a tough group that put the giant inflatable rafts in front of the construction projects or nonunion construction par projects across the country or you're now a little victim who can't help themselves and everyone else...
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because of the union contract. only because of the union contracts. >> bob: c'mon, bob. you can find a video like this. >> bob: i can find it in every right to work state in the south lunch break. >> eric: they'd get fired. >> kimberly: they're not from texas. >> bob: they don't get fired in the south? >> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means whoever is not a union member gets the sweat they put in to it to get the good jobs. they're scabs because they don't put in the union political fund. >> dana: 24 states have lower unemployment rate and other states are not right to work, while shouldn't michigan, at least they have a democratic process. it's passed. the governor has been thoughtful about it. people, majority of people support it. why not let them try something that would alter history? >> kimberly: why not? >> bob: why not bad handguns in countries that don't have murder. here we ban them and it -- >> greg: the funny thing is we talk about greece, but befo
because of the union contract. only because of the union contracts. >> bob: c'mon, bob. you can find a video like this. >> bob: i can find it in every right to work state in the south lunch break. >> eric: they'd get fired. >> kimberly: they're not from texas. >> bob: they don't get fired in the south? >> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means...
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this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be weaker but why would they be weaker? it's because they are not showing value to the workers. this is very much about two there are two reasons to do this. the first one is to be pro-worker. this is about freedom to choose. workers should have the option if they are seeing value, they should be excited to join a union and they should join. if they see no value why should they put financial resources to do something that has no value to them. that's a big part of it. standing up for workers. the second piece and to your point specifically, it's about more and better jobs for michigan. just look at indiana that di
this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be...
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>>neil: if you are a non-union member you benefit from the union contracts. >>guest: yes, the union gets you better wages and you don't have to participate in supporting the union, and the enresult of that is the union loses power and it loses their ability to bargain for better wages for workers. >>neil: what happens now? i have been trying to get a sense if a deal will be made toward the end of the year and benefitten your rules here, they have to have the structure and outline of a deal by friday in order to get things marked up, and out committee and to conference and votes and all of this stuff i don't understand and the deadline is not the end of the year but this week. >>guest: it can be byzantine process but it can take time to get it converted. your timeframe is right to get it done before christmas but there is a very big chance we are talking about closer to the end of the year if we get an agreement. i think there is better than 50/50 chance we will. there are a lot of hurdles to cross. >>neil: nancy pelosi was criticizing speaker boehner, and spe
>>neil: if you are a non-union member you benefit from the union contracts. >>guest: yes, the union gets you better wages and you don't have to participate in supporting the union, and the enresult of that is the union loses power and it loses their ability to bargain for better wages for workers. >>neil: what happens now? i have been trying to get a sense if a deal will be made toward the end of the year and benefitten your rules here, they have to have the structure and...
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the bill strips unions of power in the state. tomorrow protesters are planning to invade the state capital in lansing. that's where we find dave spencer with an update. dave? >> state police are estimating 10,000 protesters when the sun comes up. they've closed streets out around the capitol, restricting park around here. some of the schools in metro detroit will be closing so that teachers representing the teacher union will have a chance to come down to lansing to be one of those 10,000 having their voices heard. what the right to work bill will do will essentially make it an option for an employee to join a union and still get those benefits. supporters say that will be good for michigan, bringing in business, while opponents say while it may bring in business employee wages will be brought down due to collective bargaining. this controversy started when the governor, governor rick snyder, said for a bill comes across his desk, he will sign it. that prompted the house and senate to begin their legislation, bringing out protest
the bill strips unions of power in the state. tomorrow protesters are planning to invade the state capital in lansing. that's where we find dave spencer with an update. dave? >> state police are estimating 10,000 protesters when the sun comes up. they've closed streets out around the capitol, restricting park around here. some of the schools in metro detroit will be closing so that teachers representing the teacher union will have a chance to come down to lansing to be one of those 10,000...
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i don't view it as anti-union. they are more proactive to presenting it to workers and say they should want to join it be part of it. this is first and foremost about worker choice. and second thing it is about economic development. we've watched what has gone on in indiana since they passed similar legislation and they have seen a significant increase in the numbers of companies talking about thousands of jobs to their state. first about workers choice but more about more and better jobs for our people. it's positive legislation for the state. >> it was not parts of your original aany da and it's being done in the lame duck. i suppose that's an issue that -- that the people are asking for, why wasn't it part of your original agenda and why did you wait for the lame duck? >> if you think about it, over 80% of workers don't have this issue. they aren't unionized so it applies in michigan to about 17.5% of our workforce. that's significant but most people don't have it as an issue. if you look where michigan was at,
i don't view it as anti-union. they are more proactive to presenting it to workers and say they should want to join it be part of it. this is first and foremost about worker choice. and second thing it is about economic development. we've watched what has gone on in indiana since they passed similar legislation and they have seen a significant increase in the numbers of companies talking about thousands of jobs to their state. first about workers choice but more about more and better jobs for...
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unions there can no longer force workers to pay union dues. but forbes says according to a new survey right to work states have a clear advantage. they show all but one of the top ten states have right to work laws the exception colorado. the rankings for the third straight year. they attribute that to corporate taxes. the pro business regulatory climate and north dakota moves up to number 3 after having the most economic growth after the last five years. the top ten expanded their economies 1.7 percent during the tough years between torques 6 and 2011 the economies contracted an average of .1 percent of the year during that time. all but mississippi do not have the right to work laws. they have economic growth forecast. for most improved that goes to indiana which jumped 16 spots this year that is interesting because they became a right to work state. >> diane macedo from the fox business network. 15 minutes before the hour. one of the major issues facing the fiscal cliff entitlement programs. and now some of them are at their highest levels
unions there can no longer force workers to pay union dues. but forbes says according to a new survey right to work states have a clear advantage. they show all but one of the top ten states have right to work laws the exception colorado. the rankings for the third straight year. they attribute that to corporate taxes. the pro business regulatory climate and north dakota moves up to number 3 after having the most economic growth after the last five years. the top ten expanded their economies...
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weakening of the grip of unions. we saw when the auto went in collapse, auto company in the south, transplants did well because they weren't saddled with the union wages but also the union work rules, which are insane. so i think will be l be loosening of the grip. way to stay competitive. >> astonishing this is all happening in the heart of union land, historically. i will add to charles, because it's the lightning round that ohio is next possibility. harder go there. it would have to be done by ballot initiative, weakening the union. >> john: five seconds or less. >> i agree with everything they said and the key is eliminating the dues check off on the public sector union of michigan because that is where the democratic party gets its money. >> john: senate voted for. see where that goes. thank you all. that is it for the panel. stay tuned to see how dogs are getting around these days. i've worked hard to build my family. and also to build my career. so i'm not about to always let my frequent bladder urges, or the
weakening of the grip of unions. we saw when the auto went in collapse, auto company in the south, transplants did well because they weren't saddled with the union wages but also the union work rules, which are insane. so i think will be l be loosening of the grip. way to stay competitive. >> astonishing this is all happening in the heart of union land, historically. i will add to charles, because it's the lightning round that ohio is next possibility. harder go there. it would have to be...
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this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be weaker but why would they be weaker? it's because they are not showing value to the workers. this is very much about two there are two reasons to do this. the first one is to be pro-worker. this is about freedom to choose. workers should have the option if they are seeing value, they should be excited to join a union and they should join. if they see no value why should they put financial resources to do something that has no value to them. that's a big part of it. standing up for workers. the second piece and to your point specifically, it's about more and better jobs for michigan. just look at indiana that di
this is about the relationship between unions and workers. >> if enough workers opt out of the unions the union's bargaining power goes down it's weaker. that's what mr. obama is trying to it say. why is to the state's advantage very specifically. why is it to the state's advantage to have a right-to-work law to give workers the option of going into a union or not? >> well, they both go together. if you step back at your comment it is important to recognize that unions could be...
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dues and give it to the union. that is money that you are entitled to going to an organization that you choose not to belong to. there is something called the first amendment, freedom of speech and association and that means not to associate . for generations, the states have trampled this right now . the right is resurgent again and as we can see from wisconsin, last year and from michigan today, the right -- >> gretchen: i believe indiana last year and now you have 24 states that decided to do i find it interesting though in the election, michigan people voted for president obama in that state, but they are fractured in that sense. they voted for something he is violently against . he was in the stump in michigan saying you should never let this happen and it is bad for the voters. >> sometimes the voters are more sophisticated than we give credit for. clearly the democratic party nationally and in michigan favor collective bargaining but voters in michigan decided to have individual rights. >> gretchen: but will
dues and give it to the union. that is money that you are entitled to going to an organization that you choose not to belong to. there is something called the first amendment, freedom of speech and association and that means not to associate . for generations, the states have trampled this right now . the right is resurgent again and as we can see from wisconsin, last year and from michigan today, the right -- >> gretchen: i believe indiana last year and now you have 24 states that...
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what are they doing, going after labor unions. people forget, all the things we take for granted, whether 2 will be sick leave, available indication days, five-day work week, 40-hour week, it's all because of fights the labor unions did to help the middle class and help working families be competitive in this marketplace. >> do you see any states that might be at risk here? >> do i think what? >> do you see any states that are at risk next? >> oh, yeah, i think the republican party is going to spend a lot of time trying to do this because it's unfortunate because what the republican party ought to be doing is how to change the message to talk to middle class families. the nbc/"wall street journal" poll this morning said republic people view republicans as being too rich. it should be how do they expand the pie and get more people in the party than how to exclude people. >> in other states, john, the backlash it could be wisconsin-like. are republicans ready for this possibility? >> well, i think what republicans are trying to do,
what are they doing, going after labor unions. people forget, all the things we take for granted, whether 2 will be sick leave, available indication days, five-day work week, 40-hour week, it's all because of fights the labor unions did to help the middle class and help working families be competitive in this marketplace. >> do you see any states that might be at risk here? >> do i think what? >> do you see any states that are at risk next? >> oh, yeah, i think the...
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but jonas it right, a lot of cities like detroit are heavily unionized. they invested heavily in these gold-plated cadillac-like government pensions as the revenues have dropped off and diminished and detroit is a great example, people leaving the city now for decades. they find they can't pay these pensions. so in a nutshell, they mismanaged their money and now they're coming-- i don't blame the council woman they did help to get president obama elected. look, we did you a solid and unfortunately it's not the right way to go, i don't think anyone wants to bail out detroit for mismanagement. >> brenda: julian, what say you. >> i think we have to define the terms, quid pro quo and bailout are unfortunate terms. i think that jonas made the right point. you have to separate long-term and short-term issues. long-term, the same way that the government reformed entitlement, the state has to reform pension programs. and many states and governments are doing that. in the short-term, however, it's another question when you're in an economically very difficult time
but jonas it right, a lot of cities like detroit are heavily unionized. they invested heavily in these gold-plated cadillac-like government pensions as the revenues have dropped off and diminished and detroit is a great example, people leaving the city now for decades. they find they can't pay these pensions. so in a nutshell, they mismanaged their money and now they're coming-- i don't blame the council woman they did help to get president obama elected. look, we did you a solid and...
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there is the private union and the public union. >> right. >> greta: and the public-sector union is so vastly different in one respect, you know, lawyers always have to worry about the conflict of interest. but there is something bizarre about a public-sector union, putting somebody in office and then negotiating with that somebody for the person's wages or benefits. >> right. >> greta: public service. there is a horrible conflict of interest that i don't know how it correct t. i just know that it exists because, you know, you are negotiating with the person who put in office. >> exactly. right! they go raise money for this guy, they nominate him and then they elect him. he wins by a few poign points and they want to negotiate the contract, joe, you and i are buddies. let's talk it over. so have you an inherent conflict of interest. the public prb with the public unions, look, we are borrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend. mon of the public unions when i wrote by book, the federal government, the pay and benefits combined of the average federal worker were about twice what the
there is the private union and the public union. >> right. >> greta: and the public-sector union is so vastly different in one respect, you know, lawyers always have to worry about the conflict of interest. but there is something bizarre about a public-sector union, putting somebody in office and then negotiating with that somebody for the person's wages or benefits. >> right. >> greta: public service. there is a horrible conflict of interest that i don't know how it...
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i still belong to one and i like the union." but this discredits the entire union movement. it is criminal activity, it is stupid, it is destructive to the reputation of the union, destructive to workers. ronald reagan was a union leader, a proud one. the screen actors' guild. i don't think he would con cone this and neither should the democratic party today. >> no one is condoning the violence but no one is saying these nonrepresentative extreme people represent the entire labor people. i think these are be a bore rags. >> what did we see in wisconsin. >> and we should condemn it on the left and the right. we are consistent on that. >> lanny, they inveighed the legislator of wisconsin shouting and hollering when from the balconies. if conservatives did that in the u.s. capitol, they would go to jail. >> i think they would both be wrong and i agree with you it hurts the labor union. as a pro labor democrat that's correct kind ever activity doesn't persuade undecided people. it turns off those people. so are they are hurting the labor movement by that kind of action. >> thank
i still belong to one and i like the union." but this discredits the entire union movement. it is criminal activity, it is stupid, it is destructive to the reputation of the union, destructive to workers. ronald reagan was a union leader, a proud one. the screen actors' guild. i don't think he would con cone this and neither should the democratic party today. >> no one is condoning the violence but no one is saying these nonrepresentative extreme people represent the entire labor...
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or not in the union? >> i think that's something that we need to talk about. >> greta: you're resolutely opposed to it. >> i'm opposed to them jamming thethis through this this manne. if they want to have a conversation about who is in and who is out and what the rationale is, i'd like to listen. maybe i might change my mind. with them doing it in this fashion at this juncture with a sweeping new law, i'm opposed. >> greta: so you're resolutely opposed to the manner it's been done, lame duck, but you're not resolutely opposed to the law. >> i'm willing to listen to all sides of the issue. that's what our founding facts envisioned when they created the committee process and the debate and checks and balances. everyone should be offended that we were all cut out of this. >> greta: i say very tongue in cheek that you have a different procedure than in wisconsin. we're not going to see the state democrats senators hit the road like they did in wisconsin. >> unfortunately we don't have the option of shutting t
or not in the union? >> i think that's something that we need to talk about. >> greta: you're resolutely opposed to it. >> i'm opposed to them jamming thethis through this this manne. if they want to have a conversation about who is in and who is out and what the rationale is, i'd like to listen. maybe i might change my mind. with them doing it in this fashion at this juncture with a sweeping new law, i'm opposed. >> greta: so you're resolutely opposed to the manner it's...
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the measure would bar unions from requiring non-union workers to pay union fees. president obama criticized the legislation, saying it's about giving workers the right to work for less money. the republican governor is backing the proposal. but democrats met with him yesterday to urge a veto. >>> protests are also expected in egypt today. the military in position near cairo's presidential palace, keeping an eye on opponents of president mohamed morsi. they, along with morsi supporters, are both staging massive marches today, ahead of saturday's vote, on a draft constitution. that referendum and morsi's power grab in the last month, set off the worst violence since last year's revolution. >>> also, breaking news this morning from south africa. we learned that former president nelson mandela is suffering from a recuring lung infection. doctors say the 94-year-old leader is responding to dreemt. mandela has been in the hospital since saturday. and until now, his medical condition had not been made public. >>> a new intelligence report is offering bold predictions abo
the measure would bar unions from requiring non-union workers to pay union fees. president obama criticized the legislation, saying it's about giving workers the right to work for less money. the republican governor is backing the proposal. but democrats met with him yesterday to urge a veto. >>> protests are also expected in egypt today. the military in position near cairo's presidential palace, keeping an eye on opponents of president mohamed morsi. they, along with morsi supporters,...
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chicago teachers union when school was starting. what happened to schoolhouse rock? those were video where you could learn something. >> greg: you watch it, don't you? >> dana: i love them. at halloween i went as bill on capitol hill. great costume. >> kimberly: have a good destiny. >> dana: super planet janice she's a galaxy girl. [ laughter ] >> eric: before we had teachers union they were the most oppressed teachers in the country. >> kimberly: you are talking for one thing. it worked as a teacher, my mother was a teacher. i'm very well the role and function -- bob you don't think it's a good idea that teachers should organize? >> kimberly: it's shaleful. >> bob: should they organize? >> kimberly: it's shameful with the cartoon. >> bob: should they organize? >> eric: that is not the segment. >> bob: of course not. >> eric: teachers should show on video they put together rich people urinating on poor people. teacher $65,000 on average salary and not including benefit. >> bob: way too low. >> eric: above the national average. >> kimberly: point the pencil at themsel
chicago teachers union when school was starting. what happened to schoolhouse rock? those were video where you could learn something. >> greg: you watch it, don't you? >> dana: i love them. at halloween i went as bill on capitol hill. great costume. >> kimberly: have a good destiny. >> dana: super planet janice she's a galaxy girl. [ laughter ] >> eric: before we had teachers union they were the most oppressed teachers in the country. >> kimberly: you are...
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the landmark decision banning unions to force workers to join a union. the man you're looking at it the mackinac center, vincent. >> good to be on. >> clayton: does it set a precedence for unions? we're 24 states not a majority yet, but michigan, the birthplace of the labor movement there, labor union, is this setting a precedent for the the death of unions? >> i don't know if it's the death of unions, it's actually going to make unions stronger. it may be the start of the end of-- when you have like you said the birth the of the awe with, the fifth highest union membership in the country, traditionally considered a union strong hold giving workers the freedom to choose whether or not to join the union and still keep their jobs? it's historic after indiana did it and now michigan, some of the other midwestern states are going to have to take note if i want to be competitive i may have to give workers the same freedom. and may be setting a precedent. >> you just mentioned the word choice. that kind of is the american way, isn't it, vincent? how is it goin
the landmark decision banning unions to force workers to join a union. the man you're looking at it the mackinac center, vincent. >> good to be on. >> clayton: does it set a precedence for unions? we're 24 states not a majority yet, but michigan, the birthplace of the labor movement there, labor union, is this setting a precedent for the the death of unions? >> i don't know if it's the death of unions, it's actually going to make unions stronger. it may be the start of the end...
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this could have a major impact on unions nationwide. the feds accuse a big bank of doing business with iran, cuba and libya and mexican drug cartels to the tune of billions and billions of dollars. who did they arrest? nobody in who are they trying to arrest? nobody. there is a fine. we will get to that. put down the cough syrup. pick up chocolate candy. researchers say chocolate could be more effective treatment in treating the common cough. that is all ahead unless breaking news changes everything. this is "studio b" today. first from fox at 3:00 in new york city, a major blow to labor unions wait for the michigan governor's signature. today, state lawmakers pass add measure that weakens labor unions while crowds of protesters rallied need and outside the statehouse. the demonstration is getting ugly. get the [blank] camera. >>shepard: the demonstrators are fighting the republican legislature and republican governor who says he will sign the so-called right-to-work bill into law. it would make it illegal to force workers to join a uni
this could have a major impact on unions nationwide. the feds accuse a big bank of doing business with iran, cuba and libya and mexican drug cartels to the tune of billions and billions of dollars. who did they arrest? nobody in who are they trying to arrest? nobody. there is a fine. we will get to that. put down the cough syrup. pick up chocolate candy. researchers say chocolate could be more effective treatment in treating the common cough. that is all ahead unless breaking news changes...
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one said no he is leaving the union. and super model stopping by. you know the jeopardy winner? he has written about book. stay away from the christmas poinsettia the leaves are poisonous. is that true? you have to stick around. it's not. fox and friends kikts ocks off minutes from now. i always wait until the last minute. can i still ship a gift in time r christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. ship fedex express by december 22nd for christmas delivery. ♪ [ male announcer ] campbell's green bean casserole. it's amazing what soup can do >> 11 minutes until the top of the hour. the federal government slapped with another lawsuit. a california oyster farmer is asking them to allow the 40 year leak to expire. as a result he and 30 of the employees will lose their job. the land will be designated a marine wilderness area. if you have been on a diet and thought the forbidden piece of chocolate you snuck tastes so good guilt food taste better than they otherwise who you are on a diet. >>> have you ever tr
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all these unions had bankrupted these companies. all these car companies are leaving, going to foreign soil, going to southern states, where it's more reasonable and accommodating, they don't have the union influence. isn't that true? >> no, absolutely not. the industry has come back due to collective barring e bargaining. 200,000 more people in michigan are working in manufacturing thanks to collective bargaining. the president as you said was in redford today, a suburb of detroit, to announce 115 new manufacturing jobs. >> sean: keep living your dream, and they'll keep knocking down every building in town. thanks for being with us. >>> those deejays break their >>> those deejays break their silence abouttttttt having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. tired of fees piling u
all these unions had bankrupted these companies. all these car companies are leaving, going to foreign soil, going to southern states, where it's more reasonable and accommodating, they don't have the union influence. isn't that true? >> no, absolutely not. the industry has come back due to collective barring e bargaining. 200,000 more people in michigan are working in manufacturing thanks to collective bargaining. the president as you said was in redford today, a suburb of detroit, to...